CDC Report Shows Dangers of Black Males
Black men are the leading cause of death among young blacks.
Article Source: CofCC news
Based on a 96 page report on the causes of premature death by the CDC, the leading cause of death among young blacks of both sexes appears to be black men. See report.
AIDS.
According to the CDC, black men are ten times more likely to be diagnosed with HIV or AIDS than white men. Among black men who allege that they have never engaged in a homosexual act, the figure rises to about 15 times the rate that heterosexual white men are diagnosed. Studies by the CDC also conclude that black men are more likely to have HIV or AIDS and go undiagnosed than white men.
All of this translates to black women being diagnosed with HIV or AIDS at a rate of over 20 times that of white women. The general trend is for black men to catch HIV/AIDS from each other in prison and then give it to black women when they are released. The CDC believes that 74% of black women who have HIV/AIDS contracted it through heterosexual contact with a man.
A 2004 report by the CDC says that AIDS is the:
* the leading cause of death for black women aged 25–34 years.
* the 3rd leading cause of death for black women aged 35–44 years.
* the 4th leading cause of death for black women aged 45–54 years.
By way of comparison, AIDS was only the 11th leading cause of death for white women aged 25-34!
Homicide
The same CDC reports say that homicide is the:
* the leading cause of death among black men aged 15-34 years. (Three age categories!)
* the second leading cause of death for black women aged 15-24 years.
* the fifth leading cause of death for black women aged 25-34 years.
Among women aged 15-24, homicide accounts for 5% of premature deaths in white females, but 20% of all premature deaths by black females.
Among both black and white men, homicide deaths peak at aged 25-34. The death rate by homicide among white men in this age group is 12.5 per 100k, and accounts for 10% of all premature deaths. The death rate by homicide among blacks in this age group is 101.8 per 100k, and accounts for 48% of all premature deaths.
The majority of black female homicide victims are killed by a current or former boyfriend, which many refer to as “femicide.” About 93% of all black homicide victims are killed by a black perpetrator overall. 85% of white homicide victims are killed by a white perpetrator.
“The National Black Women’s Health Project” has identified the battering of women as the number one health issue for African American women (Joseph, 1997).
Femicide is a leading cause of premature deaths in African American women aged 15-44. (Journal of Issues in Nursing Vol 7, No. 1)
In 1998, Salber and Taliaferro reported that the spousal homicide rate among African Americans is 8.4 times more than for whites. The incidence of spousal homicide is 7.7 times higher in interracial marriages compared to intraracial marriages. (Source WebMD.com)
Relationships with black men dramatically increase a woman’s chances of dying young.
Black females aged 15-19 are 3.9 times more likely to die of homicide or AIDS than white females in the same age group. This increases to 4.4 time for females aged 20-24 and 7.3 times for 25-34.
White women who engage in relationships with black men dramatically increase their chances of premature death or long term health problems from murder, beatings, and STDs.
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How does this come as any surprise to anybody? Blacks have always been more prone to violence, of all kinds. It comes from their lack of foresight, the ability to plan for the future. They get angry, and resort to violence to solve the problem NOW, without thinking of the consequences.
Blacks are not equal to other races, this is proven by their own actions. Over 50% of all black men will commit at least one felony in their lifetimes & 32% of all black males 14-24 are currently on parole or probation, in jail or prison.
66% of all black females tested had aids and only 7% knew.
Aids is the #1 killer of black females 25-35 years of age.
Homicide is the #1 killer of black men 16-24.
Blacks have proven unfit to reside with other races on these facts alone, yet the government continues to give unearned benefits to the black race through
1) forced busing
2) forced job hiring ( affirmitive action )
3) forced job promotions
4) welfare,etc.
Blacks make up 12.9% of the USA and steal 36% of all welfare resources and 36% of all subsidised housing!
Black men on average rape or sexually assualt over 36,600 white women per year while white men rape or sexually assualt only around 12 black women per year! thats racial genocide!
Whites need to wake up and take action now, before its too late and the USA is turned into an African like state!
See the US Justice dept. and the FBI websites for proff of these crime facts.
Your article fails to point out the fact that in the crime statistics Hispanics, Arabs, etc. are lumped together with the Whites if they are the perpetrators of the crimes…so none of the stats are accurate…Whites actually commit FEWER crimes but we just don’t know the actual numbers.
At least 25% of all black babies born today are born to a mother on welfare…at least 20% of hispanic babies…and at least 30% of these hispanic mothers are illegials…these are the government’s own statistics from 1993…can you imagine how bad it is today?
If we don’t wake up and wake up soon, there will not be a White America left.
Why would any of this come as a shock to anyone? The most backward continent on the earh is Africa.. We all Know that the more blacks you have in an area, the more problems you will have.. Can any body show me an area where blacks have moved in and the property values have gone up? I will show you areas where the Spaninish have increased property values..By the way I am not racist. My wife is non white and she agrees with me. God Bless tou
What a surprise this article is. I have never seen a government cater to a bunch of worthless people in my entire life. At what point do we say enough is enough and stop rewarding these people for contributing nothing to the human race.
All they do is take, destroy, and hurt other people without an ounce of remorse. I would love to conduct this experiment. Give them 20 percent of the USA and we will take the rest. In 10 years I will guarantee their 20 percent will look like a war zone and our 80 percent will be pristine, productive, and crime free for the most part.
If you ever watch a nature show about africa you will see the hyenas start to circle the weak or wounded and attack when there is a pack of them. Black males do the exact same thing. Pay attention to the riot or assault videos on the web. You will notice the same type of behavior. They act like wild animals.
In the work place 95% of them always perform at a lower level than other co-workers. They can barely speak English and wear the most ridiculous, loudest clothes even in a professional environment. Get three of them together and their speaking volume increases from a 4 to a 10. I have heard groups of blacks from 50 yards away in an office environment screaming, yelling, laughing, stomping and carrying on to the point where everybody stops to look at them. Try having an intelligent discussion if you disagree with them. Note to all black people - If you interrupt and yell during a two way discussion that alone does mean you have won or are winning the argument. It just means you lack the basic skill of communication. If you ever call customer service look at the level of professionalism between Shquanda and just plain old Betty. Shquanda will be rude, and least likely to help you with any issues you have with their service .. Cell phone, electric bill, house loan, credit card….Etc. Black people from Africa are nothing like this and don’t have these behavior patterns.
Even if they earn a good salary they can’t pay their bills on time. If you depend on them to complete a task they will let you down 9 out of 10 or do the job half assed. There is always a reason or as they like to state “A situation” why tasks are never completed on time. Bottom line Afro Americans are pretty much useless and a huge drain and burden on society. FO REEEL
New Orlean’s population had 50% on Welfare.
The statistics bear out exactly what Dr. William Shockley explained in his studies on race eugenics. Sad but true.
in defense of blacks - the system and culture DO INDEED make them into what they are
but the white women who sleep with them - they deserve what they get.
that is all
Murder and felonies! And some blacks and bleeding heart whites wonder why there is such a large percentage of blacks in the prison system.
We don’t lynch them any more for raping a white woman; so shouldn’t prison time in lieu of that generate a little gratitude on their part?
This staggering public health issue did not make the front page of the New York Times?
Blacks are better behaved in Africa? Ask any White from So. Africa and any White refugee from Rhodesia about their behavior.
BTW, can you point out any sub-Saharan country that could be considered a success?
Black kids especially black males are indoctrinated from childhood by their parents to “Hate” white people! Black parents blame everything from unemployment,losing lottery tickets and all their aches and pains on the “White Man”! Black kids are constantly reminded that “if it wasn’t for the white man” you’d be living in a mansion and driving a Lexus!!! Black parents in this way enocurage and goad thir children on to being abusive and violent! So if you really want to know why black males are so f*cked up then look directly at their parents who are the real problem in society!!!
“Race,Evolution & Behavior” by Rushton(he holds two Phd’s) will open your eyes to why there are distinct differences between the races.
Basically those races that evolved in frigid climates(Caucasians,Asians) had to do a lot more advance thinking and preparations to survive the harsh conditions.
Storing food,building adequate shelter,deferring gratification,having fewer offspring,cooperating and plenty of planning!!
Sub Saharan Africans need not plan for extreme deprivation since the climate changes very little all year.
There’s plenty of fruit hanging from trees,lot’s of water-never frozen,plenty of wild game as well.
They need not build elaborate shelter from the elements,they can literally sleep in the open with barely a care at all.
As for me,I consider most(not all)blacks little more than dangerous bipedal primates who wear clothing and speak a rudimentary form of English.
Due to their incredible short sightedness and violence,I avoid them at every chance.
The Jewish people as a whole will become its own Messiah. It will attain world dominion by the dissolution of other races, by the abolition of frontiers, the annihilation of monarchy and by the establishment of a world republic in which the Jews will everywhere exercise the privilege of citizenship.
In this New World Order the children of Israel will furnish all the leaders without encountering opposition. The Governments of the different peoples forming the world republic will fall without difficulty into the hands of the Jews. It will then be possible for the Jewish rulers to abolish private property and everywhere to make use of the resources of the state. Thus will the promise of the Talmud be fulfilled, in which is said that when the Messianic time is come, the Jews will have all the property of the whole world in their hands.”
— Baruch Levy, Letter to Karl Marx, ‘La Revue de Paris’, p.574, June 1, 1928
You know stereotypes are frequently correct and I have to say that as painfull as many of the viewpoints on this page may be to some people, they are TRUE…..In America you can’t tell the truth anymore, god forbid if you hurt someones feelings!!! The only way to change things is to face the truth…Own up to the fact that you have 5 babies and have no intention of holding a job and or having protected sex…America listen up, you don’t have to feel guilty about being White!!! Protect your children, keep them away from these animals….
In case you were wondering about the pretty girl in the photo,she was killed by those two savages after being carjacked and robbed.
In an earlier time,those beasts would be hanging like strange fruit from trees for that type of atrocity.
But thanks to women getting the vote,our criminal justice system has been emasculated
I thought da Prexident was halph black? Waht b out that statistic y’all?
In response to the comments by Jonah, Jim beam, and Victor, I would like to point out that you are the most racist bastards that I have encountered on the internet so far. You sons of b****** need to be called out and stomped on for the RACIST and WHITE SUPREMACIST comments that you expressed on this website. All White people on this planet are most definitely inferior to the ORIGINAL black man and black women on this planet. The black statistics and behavior that you cite is only about bringing black people down. In fact, the statitics and behavior that you cite is a response or reflection of the global white racist system that all of you full of shit white people are part of. The WHITE MAN AND WHITE WOMAN’S WORLD is on its way out, so I hope all of you white people have a great trip on your way to hell.
I live in a small rural town populated mostly by what I would call trashy white folk. They are uneducated. They are mostly related to each other but still insist on marrying people in the same little town. They are lazy and just show up at work so they can collect a paycheck. The goal of most people seems to be to find a way to collect permanent disability. Many are fat and they use their cars like medichairs to go short distances. I think our culture in North America is toast. I was recently to China and it was a pleasant surprise. People were thin and smart and well dressed with good manners. I’m a white man. I think you are picking on the black folk because maybe they are a parody of the white culture in America. Somehow it’s more respectable if it’s a drunken white woman on welfare.
My two cents for what it’s worth.
It’s all part of the plan, give white men black guilt and give black men white opression. Sure there is the collective but all I ask is that you see the individual. Hey a prik is a prik no matter what colour. Just as a good guy is a good guy regardless.
The stats are quite concerning as the USA does not seem to be doing anything to address it - But then the USA does not notice as it does not serve the interests of their collective masters, quite contrary it helps them. Q.How many of whites had slaves back when. A. Less than .75% ALL RICH CONNECTED ASSHOLES GAVE YOU THIS. Q.So who are they - I betcha all know.
Your all missing the main agenda. Nagative situations are infused on gentile Nations; acording to there moto: “We shall war by deceeption”
War against who?–think!–those who are not them. How do they impliment deception?–think–By moving as one and rising up to possitions of high power and buying out the media to deploy there deception [lies] and controlling the money.
This secrete war has been going on for hundreds of years and now has come to fruitation.
How long are we going to stand in the fog and be stupid?
Blacks are targeted by whites because they are overall better in everything. So the only way a white person can feel better about themselves is to make up statistics and create hate tworad the black man. No one likes white people execpt white people so they create confusion between diffrent groups. All white pepole are born with a disease called leprocy and they kill plants trees and animals at a alarming rate. They should be wiped off the face of the earth because they do absolutly no good to anyone including themselves.
There are many people under a strong delusion including your selves. I am not here to defend anybody who commits murder or acts of violence against the human race..Know this you will be judged by your maker according to how you judged your fellow man while you lived under grace during your life on the planet. Your enemy is doing a great job keeping you distracted while he slowly steals everything you own.
hey, racial profiling,gotta like it.
You all can believe that the real crisis facing this country comes from the black population if you want to. While you are looking at us, your real enemy is breathing down your neck and taking everything your forefathers stole.
why the hell did you bring them over here all those years ago.
Thanks alot whiteies. You got no one to blame but yourselves.
You kidnapped them from Africa and brought them into your houses.
these statistics are echoed by british studies, government
minister david blunkett commissioned a report for the new labour party, which said black communities in the inner cities were especially prone to robbery and sex crimes 4 times over the national average
unite against goverments, banks, corperations, religion, they laugh at us has we argue fight each other. UNITE
Listen to Frank and John on the Right Perspective and get all the truth on the SoulTrain movement. Blacks are a disease!
Give them 20 percent of the USA and we will take the rest. In 10 years I will guarantee their 20 percent will look like a war zone and our 80 percent will be pristine, productive, and crime free for the most part.
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I was just thinking….just look at detroit.
The Article does not go into the main cause of the cycle of crime & violence in the Black community : single parent families. Start there and you will see the beginings of poverty, low educaton, welfare, drugs, crime, prison, and murder. In this decade more white families are heading in this direction, and the problem will not be so isolated in the Black community.
Is there any peaceful thing we can do? What about make some already-backwater state the state for Blacks and have every other state put small taxes on blacks and revoke social welfare programs for htem, and every state donate to the backwater-state’s welfare fund.
States would benefit in not paying welfare directly and getting the dredges of society off their streets (less crime, etc.); backwater state would benefit from scores of cheap labor, etc (they should remove the minimum wage law in that state as there will always be 50% unemployment).
Citizens could pay for free bus rides and moving van services to help encourage people to relocate. While we’re at it, maybe give New Mexico to the Latinos?
Here we see that Wal-Mart is openly pushing for White ethnic genocide in their advertising:
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10233881
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10745766
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10233873
I have also noticed a trend whereby childrens products and toys and games are pairing up little white girls with black boys, or little white boys with Asian girls. In fact, there is an above-ground backyard pool that is sold by Wal-Mart that has on the box a picture of a pool full of water, and in the pool is a pretty white woman in a bikini and in the pool with her is a black male and several mulatto kids, and one little white kid. And, no where to be seen is a White male.
Obviously, this promotes race mixing and white genocide. It also tries to insinuate that a black man can produce an all-white kid, just in case the bikini-clad white girl would like to have a least one child who looks just like her.
For anyone who is familiar with the 1947/1948 Convention on the Crime and Punishment of Genocide and the very clear and officially codified definition of genocide - these passages clearly convict Wal-Mart:
Article 2
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
Oh, and for any doubters out there who work for Wal-Mart, here is what ought to give you a set of nervous willies:
Article 4
Persons committing genocide or any of the other acts enumerated in Article 3 shall be punished, whether they are onstitutionally responsible rulers, public officials or private individuals.
Case closed. Let’s fire up the guillotines.
and 96% of voting african americans voted for funzo,
tell me they aren’t racist? they are much more racist then whites, AND YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK, OR WAL MART IF ITS UR welfare check.
There was yesterday a 2 hour congressional session on the school achievement gap with minorities. It was the most ridiculous spectacle that I have ever seen. At one point they were trying to blame poor black school performance on absence of a father. Well I grew up without a father and dirt poor and I made it through TWO ivy league universities.
There is not one majority black/hispanic school in the nation that isnt a disaster. 50% graduation rates would be succeeding at such places.
Recently berkely high school voted to drop science labs for regular (white) students to focus more dollars on the increasing numbers of retarded minority students. outrageous. How much money is wasted on trying to educate blacks and hispanics is a crime.
Instead all students should be tested at 9th grade and those that fall below a bar should go to a 1 year trade school and those that have diciplinary problems should go to a school resembling a prison. This is non race based. Let them earn a place in high cash funded hich schools.
We as humans like to think we are detached from the natural world until something like this comes along to show how animalistic we actually are.
Wolves, coyotes, bears, dingoes and hyeanas are k9, but they all dont behave the same. Dig in a little deeper, labs, pinchers, boxers, pekinese etc.. are of the same species but physiological differences create different behavior patterns. Some like water, some like to fight, some like to cuddle.
Blacks, whites, asians, hispanics etc are all humans but they all dont behave the same. Dig in a little deeper and take a kenyan and a rhodesian, a frenchman and a german, a vietnamese and a korean, and a argentinian and a mexican, who for all practical purposes are the same yet still physiological differences exist as well as different behavior patterns
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Blacks, and hispanics have always held pack mentalities, this leads to high levels of violence. Whites, outside of england and australia, have historically revered personal independence and strength and as such havent this mob mentality of pack animals but have more cooperation with each other. Asians value intellectual deferment and plodding along and as such, over time, encounter great success.
So why should it come as any surprise that blacks have higher incidences of violence? The surprise is that the excuse for black violence has been institutionalized as the result of white racism. The other surprise is that americans have been buying this crap. My parents always have their hands out for another helping of white guilt.
At the end of the day, Liberia was purchased for the ex slaves and their kin. Every black american has liberia like every jew has israel. Let them go home.
I have met some really great black men unfortunately there are many more that pull down their race. According to the 1994 crime statistics, the whiter a state is the less murders they have. Vermont 96% white, 1.6 murders/100,000, Washington DC 70% black, 55 murders/100,000. A white woman has 200 times chance of getting rape by a black man than a white man. I work on a major railroad and the train masters control the movement of trains, which is like a flight controller,they do not hire by quotas or they would be sued for deaths and property damage. I have not heard of one black voice in 7 yrs of employment, yet in the crew dispatchers which is not critical I have seen major screw ups by black women that cost the company millions yet the are afraid to fire them because the will be sued for prejudice. I bring this up not to cut down all the good black people but to show something has to be done to raise the pride in the black culture to to better. We have to find a solution to this problem of them accepting this behavior. In Japan families will oustrazise these behaviors yet black mothers still except their sons crimes. What other race has produce so much violent music degrading woman and encouraging violence.
Is it any wonder daddy doesn’t want his little girl to fool around with black men!
Judgment day is coming!!
One word validates this story “DETROIT”
All I can do at this point is agree. I live in NC where the civil war is STILL an issue thanks to Sherman’s March to the SEA. I actually live off of a road called “UNION CROSS ROAD” where Sherman’s marauders supposedly marched. In this atmosphere there are the angry lower middle class blacks and the mid to up scale black Americans who are actually rude and snobbish to most of the rest of us whites. Their cell phones have to be answered with a flourish to let every one else in the room know they’re successful enough to own one. Where would the used Lexus dealers be if it weren’t for these folks?
In response to VICTOR’s comment of, “Can any body show me an area where blacks have moved in and the property values have gone up?”
…show me one area where black people live where white people have not intervene in the life, history, or physical boundaries where said black people live… oh that’s right, there is no such place. I don’t disagree with the stats, but it is typical of this nation the USA to attempt to deal with ’symptoms’ and rarely if ever deal with actual causes.
America has become a nation of sheep. The current administration will have total control as soon as health care gets totally installed in America. The totally socialist President is throwing the Constitution in the garbage. I feel America is doomed. Look for he Dollar to be downgraded from the world’s primary currency soon. The civil rights movement has contributed to this and it swings the vote towards those that want to be on the public dole. A majority Americans below the age of 30 are looking for a free ride. They will soon get it, but they won’t like it. 2/3’s of Americans need to rise up and say no, but I doubt if they will, they are sheep. I am not one. The current situation reminds me of Germany in the 30’s when all the really smart Germans left the country knowing what was coming with Hitler. Wake up and see what is happening to America. Glenn Beck on Fox is a good source.
My only sympathy is towards black people who by genetic mutation have intelligence and possibly morality rivalling that of the average white? person who have to put up with their own race. The liberals of this country gave them the chance to flourish and instead of living up to their supposed reputation as black people they decided to become ******s, now they must go back. There will be no reparations, the education and years of life in opulent splendour we gave them is reparations enough.
Attention to all crackers;
You need to stop worrying about niggers and start blaming your fellow brethen. The rich elite whites are and will do you poor whites in. When you can’t find a job and you have to live next to blacks blame yourself for not standing up to the bankers and rockafellers aand rothchilds. They are killing your white children through the air and water and immunizations. To them you are a pheasant, no different than a black or mexican. Right now they are building a super highway from mexico to the U.S. THe rich whites don’t have to live next door to minorities. They can give a dame if you and your daughters have to.The military loves to use crackers as guine pigs and treat the vets like crap when they come home. And by the way, who do you think put Obama in the white house? White people did. Brezinski did. As long as you focus your hate on blacks thats all they want. So you can leave the elite whites and jews in power. Who do you think all those coffins are for in those homeland security and fema storage yards? For you crackers who get uppity and try to resist the new world order. They have you brainwashed and controlled. You believe everything you read and hear in the news. You are the first ones inline for the swine flu. You let the Elite whites and jews carry out 9-11 and don’t speak up on it. You love George Bush and he gave the bankers billions.Theres too many useless eaters in the u.s. and you crackers fit in that category along with the blacks and browns. Yes my friends, the way things are going, your daughters will have dark meat galoure or at the least be lesbians. Courtesy of hollywood. And you poor crackers will get dumbed down dumber and dumber.The flouride and chemtrails will eventually get to you.Your future presidents will be token blacks because america knows the worlds does not trust a white face because of your history.Yes, the good ole days of your granddaddy is long and gone. The new world order’s priority is not to make poor crackers happy. You might as well be black. Because thats how they will treat you. Because your either too stupid or do not have the balls to face or speak out against your real enemies; the bildebergs, rothchilds, rockerfellers, zionist bankers, multi million and billionaire whites.
Jeff
That’s Racist! Ahem.. I mean
Dats Reycisst!
I have to laugh at all these dumb Niggers and Spicks with their same ole typical Nigger-Spick responce….we brought dem ovah here….iss da white mans fawt….we taken ovah…he gonna pay…etc. etc. If Niggers did indeed take over what will happen?
Haiti, Jamaica, Mogadishu, Congo, Rwanda, Somalia. You fucking Spicks love to join the hate Whitey bandwagon but sure love to come to the White mans land to enjoy all the benefits. Trust me it you whose days are numbered.
I go on thugreportDotCom every day to see the truth.
How many white women are being raped and killed by Black men?
Is the data out there of has political correctness covered it up?
Why all the shilly shallying and pussy footing around? Spit it out! NIGGERS are dangerous predators and disease carriers.It took a 96 page report from the oppressive federal govt? Read your local papers and watch the local tv news programs.Worse yet look around you.The shitskins are a menace to everyone in the whole world.Niggers are nothing more than farm animals gone wild.
Nothing gets by those scholars at CDC. How much was spent on this study that didn’t say anything new? We all know who commits most of the crime as a percentage of the population. You can bet the media won’t put this on national tv. This study reveals nothing but TNB…typical nigger behaviour.
Horatius is right in all but one respect. Niggers destroy! So how much did the fiddle gummint spend on this obvious as the nose on your face report? Looks like about 2-3 million dollars to me. No one needs a report to tell you that niggers are responsible for most of the violent crime. When was the last time you read about a car jacking by whites? Dying of a gunshot before you are 25 is one of the occupation hazards of growing up nigger. The one aspect of Horatius’s comment that is not right (and he should know better) is “Niggers are nothing more than farm animals gone wild.” Farm animals do not display the pack mentality of the nigger. Chimpouts can be categorized like hurricanes from class 1 (with slight destruction) to full blown class 5 chimpouts (with its attendant mass destruction of everything within range). Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7XuXi3mqYM and see if you can draw any parallels.
OH MY GOD, this can’t be. Kneegrows are violent????? What a complete shock. I bet that had to spend MILLIONS of tax dollars to figure this out.