Comments on: More 9/11 Questions http://www.midwestfreepress.com/2009/07/18/more-911-questions/ Bringing Honesty to Media Wed, 08 Sep 2010 10:07:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Greg Bacon http://www.midwestfreepress.com/2009/07/18/more-911-questions/#comment-5009 Greg Bacon Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:38:28 +0000 http://www.midwestfreepress.com/?p=1701#comment-5009 Let me humbly offer some eyewitness accounts of building collapses. I retired from a Central Missouri Fire Department (FD) as a career fire fighter. Retired with the rank of Lieutenant in 2004. Not bragging about my rank, just stating that to enforce my thoughts about 9/11, since as a LT, I was the officer in charge of more than a few fires and am using my personal outside firefighting observations to write this. In 20+ years of service, I was on the scene of more than a few structure fires. Fires in various types of buildings, including residential, commercial and industrial. Even high rises. Most times, we were able to fight the fire successfully, extinguish the flames and return a sizable portion of the building and contents back to the owner. However, some of the times, we lost the fight--and as the post fire investigation by the Fire Marshal's office would find, those fires involved arson--and were forced to go from an offensive mode, in which we would conduct interior fire fighting, to a defensive mode, in which we would "surround and drown" the building with immense amounts of water from the exterior. When that happened, some of the times the building would collapse, due to interior fire damage and the immense amounts of water applied in fire suppression. The structure would collapse in a random, haphazard, piecemeal manner. <b> Not once did i personally witness one of those structures collapsing in the rather controlled and somewhat neat pancake fashion as the WTC towers and Building 7. i might be able to believe that one of the towers could fall that way, but all three? On the same day, within hours of one another? The odds against that happening must be astronomical. There has been much made about the interior fire's heat contributing to the collapse of the WTC's. i also disagree with that. Those buildings, thanks to the fire codes enacted over the years, were built to withstand fire and not add to the flames. The type of fires left burning after the jet fuel flamed off are what we call "content fires". They involve the burning of the contents of the rooms/building, such as furniture, carpets and the like. Initially, these fires are hot, but either burn out quickly or suffocate themselves due to the fire needing a large amount of oxygen and not being able to receive the proper amount of oxygen due to the large amount of smoke generated or no fresh sources of oxygen. Several years ago, the NYFD released some of the on scene radio transcripts from some of the interior fire fighting units. I've read thru some of the radio traffic and from their accounts, in one of the towers, they not only had the fire extinguished, they were going to start providing medical care to the victims. I believe the published radio accounts, not only due to the authentic sounding radio traffic, but the fact that they acted like fire fighters; that is, you make a decision at the beginning of the operation as to whether or not you are going to fight fire or rescue victims. Since most FD's are usually understaffed and cannot provide both services, you usually elect to fight the fire, while ventilating the building to push out the toxic gases and smoke so the victims can at least get fresh air. If the on scene fire crews had not only extinguished the fire(s) and determined that the building was safe enough to conduct medical care and rescue, then there is something terribly amiss and wrong with the so called "official" 9/11 version. The real instigators and mass murderers behind this heinous crime are still at large, even possibly inhabiting offices of our government at the highest levels. Until a truly INDEPENDENT investigation is launched, one with full subpoena powers that is not controlled by a friend of Condi Rice's, America will never know the real story behind 9/11. Let me humbly offer some eyewitness accounts of building collapses. I retired from a Central Missouri Fire Department (FD) as a career fire fighter. Retired with the rank of Lieutenant in 2004.
Not bragging about my rank, just stating that to enforce my thoughts about 9/11, since as a LT, I was the officer in charge of more than a few fires and am using my personal outside firefighting observations to write this.

In 20+ years of service, I was on the scene of more than a few structure fires. Fires in various types of buildings, including residential, commercial and industrial. Even high rises. Most times, we were able to fight the fire successfully, extinguish the flames and return a sizable portion of the building and contents back to the owner.
However, some of the times, we lost the fight–and as the post fire investigation by the Fire Marshal’s office would find, those fires involved arson–and were forced to go from an offensive mode, in which we would conduct interior fire fighting, to a defensive mode, in which we would “surround and drown” the building with immense amounts of water from the exterior.

When that happened, some of the times the building would collapse, due to interior fire damage and the immense amounts of water applied in fire suppression. The structure would collapse in a random, haphazard, piecemeal manner. Not once did i personally witness one of those structures collapsing in the rather controlled and somewhat neat pancake fashion as the WTC towers and Building 7.

i might be able to believe that one of the towers could fall that way, but all three?
On the same day, within hours of one another?

The odds against that happening must be astronomical.

There has been much made about the interior fire’s heat contributing to the collapse of the WTC’s. i also disagree with that.
Those buildings, thanks to the fire codes enacted over the years, were built to withstand fire and not add to the flames.

The type of fires left burning after the jet fuel flamed off are what we call “content fires”. They involve the burning of the contents of the rooms/building, such as furniture, carpets and the like.
Initially, these fires are hot, but either burn out quickly or suffocate themselves due to the fire needing a large amount of oxygen and not being able to receive the proper amount of oxygen due to the large amount of smoke generated or no fresh sources of oxygen.

Several years ago, the NYFD released some of the on scene radio transcripts from some of the interior fire fighting units. I’ve read thru some of the radio traffic and from their accounts, in one of the towers, they not only had the fire extinguished, they were going to start providing medical care to the victims.
I believe the published radio accounts, not only due to the authentic sounding radio traffic, but the fact that they acted like fire fighters; that is, you make a decision at the beginning of the operation as to whether or not you are going to fight fire or rescue victims.
Since most FD’s are usually understaffed and cannot provide both services, you usually elect to fight the fire, while ventilating the building to push out the toxic gases and smoke so the victims can at least get fresh air.

If the on scene fire crews had not only extinguished the fire(s) and determined that the building was safe enough to conduct medical care and rescue, then there is something terribly amiss and wrong with the so called “official” 9/11 version.

The real instigators and mass murderers behind this heinous crime are still at large, even possibly inhabiting offices of our government at the highest levels.

Until a truly INDEPENDENT investigation is launched, one with full subpoena powers that is not controlled by a friend of Condi Rice’s, America will never know the real story behind 9/11.

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